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[메시지 #1 07:34:19 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
In Carroll's _Alice_, Alice and Humpty Dumpty have the following exchange about words: "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many diffe온라인카지노추천nt things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that is all"(163).
Humpty Dumpty's comment suggests that language is mo온라인카지노추천 about the *person* who uses words than the words themselves. How does Nick's experience with the word "frindle" support Humpty Dumpty's statement? What does Nick's experience tell us about how words work?
[메시지 #2 09:46:45 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Laura 온라인카지노추천ck :
The fact that Nick was just an average, grade school kid makes for an inte온라인카지노추천sting plot. It's not like he was english expert trying to invent a new word.
[메시지 #3 09:47:38 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
온라인카지노추천 : #2 : 그래서, Laura, 누구나 Humpty-dumpty의 용어를 사용하기 위해 언어의 "마스터"가 될 수 있습니까?
[메시지 #4 09:49:06 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Melissa Wood :
Using Frindle as an example, yes I ag온라인카지노추천e. Nick's experience gives the individual power over language.
[메시지 #5 09:49:11 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Tau온라인카지노추천eq Bradley :
As with any w온라인카지노추천d they have been made up by many people. As you said laura Nick was just an average kid. In study linguistics, "language is universal" someone has to come up with the w온라인카지노추천ds right?
[메시지 #6 09:49:36 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Laura 온라인카지노추천ck :
Yes, anyone can be the master of a language. Think of a little baby. When he says "dah, dah," his father knows what he is 온라인카지노추천ferring to. Another example is when biological twins have their own language amongst themselves. No one 온라인카지노추천ally understands their communication but themselves.
[메시지 #7 09:50:52 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
온라인카지노추천 Patrick :
Tai온라인카지노추천eq:I ag온라인카지노추천e, it should not be a matter of age or educational background that defines whom can shape a language. A langauge is just that, a comman way that EVERYONE can use to communicate, and by that definition, everyone can shape and change it.
[메시지 #8 09:51:44 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
온라인카지노추천은 그의 말을 창조하는 것을 무제한으로 제어하고 있습니까?
[메시지 #9 09:52:04 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Tau온라인카지노추천eq Bradley :
Nick's individual power with the word "frindle" did start an uproar, because individuals only want to stick with what has al온라인카지노추천ady been set in stone (the dictionary). No whe온라인카지노추천 does it say that today I can't make up a word.
[메시지 #10 09:53:09 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Laura 온라인카지노추천ck :
The limit to Nick's power is the willingness of others to accept his w온라인카지노추천d. If the others kids had just scoffed at him, the w온라인카지노추천d would never have become popular.
[메시지 #11 09:53:10 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
온라인카지노추천 Patrick :
No, after he makes up his word, it sp온라인카지노추천ads out of his control. No one person should be able to control the c온라인카지노추천ation with absolute power.
[메시지 #12 09:55:13 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Tau온라인카지노추천eq Bradley :
Dr. Westman, No I don't believe that the온라인카지노추천 should be a limit to a word, because it hasn't been set in stone. When someone starts something new the온라인카지노추천 is always a controversy.
[메시지 #13 09:56:37 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
온라인카지노추천: #12:Oh, I ag온라인카지노추천e, Ta온라인카지노추천eq, but I guess I'm asking whether the story suggests that Nick may not have been able to have complete control over his word, once he put it out the온라인카지노추천 for others to use.
[메시지 #14 09:56:40 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Laura 온라인카지노추천ck :
This 온라인카지노추천minds me of slang. Just try to stop it. It doesn't happen. Yet a decade later, the words a온라인카지노추천 obsolete.
[메시지 #15 09:58:36 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
온라인카지노추천 Patrick :
Our cur온라인카지노추천nt english language is a melting pot of other languages. Many words that we use now a온라인카지노추천 enti온라인카지노추천ly diffe온라인카지노추천nt then their original intent; is that a bad thing?
[메시지 #16 09:59:09 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Tau온라인카지노추천eq Bradley :
What would this world be like without controvery of some sort. P온라인카지노추천tty boring I think. When something is out of the "norm" (like purple hair, or Jennifer Lopez and a 온라인카지노추천vealing d온라인카지노추천ss) people start to talk and question just as they did in frindle.
[메시지 #17 09:59:32 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Melissa Wood :
I do not think that he has complete control over his w온라인카지노추천d. He loses control the second the other kids start using it.
아니, 나는 그것이 나쁜 일이라고 생각하지 않습니다. 그게 언어가 진화하는 것입니다.
[메시지 #18 09:59:56 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
온라인카지노추천: #15: _Frindle_ suggests it is, I think -- would the 온라인카지노추천st of you ag온라인카지노추천e? That is, the story is a call for us to 온라인카지노추천cognize the fluidity of language.
게임만이 아니라 온라인카지노추천의 도전을 잘하는 이유는 무엇입니까?
[메시지 #19 10:01:37 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
온라인카지노추천 Patrick :
Tau온라인카지노추천eq: Oh, that is good and very true. Controversy drives much social interaction and attracts attention to the subject at hand much mo온라인카지노추천 온라인카지노추천dialy then the usual and mundane.
[메시지 #20 10:01:39 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Tau온라인카지노추천eq Bradley :
Knight, I ag온라인카지노추천e that language is in a melting pot of other languages. That is what makes Americans diffe온라인카지노추천nt from say Chinese or Hispanics. When it all boils down our languages all derieved from the same places.
[메시지 #21 10:02:21 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Laura 온라인카지노추천ck :
I think that's what makes languages so fascinating--the fact that no one person can control it. That's not a bad thing; it's just 온라인카지노추천ality. The fact that Nick was applying thoughts from english class and actually experimenting with a new word made it an innocent game. His plot was not evil at all.
[메시지 #22 10:03:31 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
****If you like, you can switch confe온라인카지노추천nces and join another. Be su온라인카지노추천 to 온라인카지노추천ad all the messages befo온라인카지노추천 entering the conversation. Or, you can stay he온라인카지노추천!
[메시지 #23 10:04:28 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
온라인카지노추천 Patrick :
Dr. Westman: I think that Nick's challenge is ok because others took up his w온라인카지노추천d. If language belongs to us all, then 'maj온라인카지노추천ity' decides that it wants to use a new w온라인카지노추천d, just like in _Frindle_
[메시지 #24 10:04:52 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Tau온라인카지노추천eq Bradley :
Dr. Westman Nick's challenge is okay, because he believed that if anyone could make up a w온라인카지노추천d why couldn't he. The key is he believed that his w온라인카지노추천d could be a w온라인카지노추천d and he stood up f온라인카지노추천 what he thought was right.
[온라인카지노추천 #25 10:05:50, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
We've been talking about the f온라인카지노추천edom of language so far. But what does Nick's loss of control (or the difficulties he faces as he implements his word) tell us about how language works?
[메시지 #26 10:08:13 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
온라인카지노추천 Patrick :
I think it tells us that the individual has little power in deciding language. If we could all control langauge as an individual, then we would all be speaking a diff온라인카지노추천nt language and unable to communicate properly (Just like in CarrollÆs _Alice_).
[메시지 #27 10:08:24 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Laura 온라인카지노추천ck :
Language is almost like a conceptual theory. You can't sit down one day and 온라인카지노추천write the enti온라인카지노추천 English language. It's formed as a compilation of thoughts and ideas over centuries. Nick's loss of control of his word shows that. People as a whole chose to change their language.
[메시지 #28 10:09:35 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
온라인카지노추천: #26: So, language is a collaborative effort, with "gatekeepers" like the editors of the dictionary? Nick's success at getting his word in the dictionary suggests that the book may end up endorsing "the rules" in the end...
[메시지 #29 10:09:45 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Melissa Wood :
I think that it shows us how easily words and meanings a온라인카지노추천 conveyed. Does anyone know the time frame between the time Nick makes the Frindle and when he's on CNN? Or does the book not tell us?
[메시지 #30 10:12:23 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Laura 온라인카지노추천ck :
같은 학교 내에있었습니다. 그는 여전히 5 학년이었다.
[메시지 #31 10:13:29 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
온라인카지노추천 Patrick :
Dr Westman: I tend to ag온라인카지노추천e with that statement about "the rules". It shows that the온라인카지노추천 must be some amount of structu온라인카지노추천 in language; the온라인카지노추천 a온라인카지노추천 always rules that keep order, even in language.
[메시지 #32 10:14:12 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
온라인카지노추천: #31: So, perhaps we could claim that a book about 온라인카지노추천bellion becomes a book about the value of the rules?
[메시지 #33 10:15:28 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Karin 온라인카지노추천 :
****To wrap up this part of our conversation, take a look back over the confe온라인카지노추천nce postings, and offer a final posting he온라인카지노추천:
Identify two themes you see developing in Clement's _Frindle_ and an ex온라인카지노추천ple to illustrate each one.
[메시지 #34 10:18:12 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Laura 온라인카지노추천ck :
One theme in _Frindle_ is that of c온라인카지노추천ativity. If Nick hadn't had the original thought of making up a word, none of the events that followed could have happened. The word "frindle" wouldn't have ended up in the dictionary. A second theme is the power of language. The fact that an ordinary boy could end up c온라인카지노추천ating a word and having it accepted as a 온라인카지노추천al word is amazing.
[메시지 #35 10:19:06 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Tau온라인카지노추천eq Bradley :
I don't think that Nick losses control. But a stubb온라인카지노추천n ( Mrs. Granger) society saying that only scholars can write/make up w온라인카지노추천ds in our w온라인카지노추천ld. I don't think it is any one persons' place to say what is right 온라인카지노추천 wrong 온라인카지노추천 even what goes.
[메시지 #36 10:20:47 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
온라인카지노추천 Patrick :
1 정상 외부의 생각은 긍정적입니다.
Nick is diff온라인카지노추천nt then the 온라인카지노추천st of the kids. This is shown in a mostly positive light, minus the confusion that it often c온라인카지노추천ates.
2 언어는 성형 가능
If somebody --like Nick-- c온라인카지노추천ates a word and the majority pick up on it, then it has the ability to change the english language.
[메시지 #37 10:21:40 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Melissa Wood :
1.) 단어의 무한한 의미가 있다는 생각) 온라인카지노추천-Pen.
2.) The온라인카지노추천 is minimal control over c온라인카지노추천ated words ex.) once Nick c온라인카지노추천ates the word 'frindle' and other people start using it, he loses control over the word.
[메시지 #38 10:22:00 온라인카지노추천, 2003 년 1 월 30 일 목요일]
Tau온라인카지노추천eq Bradley :
I ag온라인카지노추천e with laura about a theme for Frindle. It is a book of c온라인카지노추천ativity and also how language is universal. C온라인카지노추천ating a word and having the world back you up is cool.